23 | From Duck Feet to Book Feats | A Little Bit Bothered

Monica (: 00:00

They're having a secret conversation on the middle of the podcast.

Kelsie (: 00:00

Yeah

Ha

Nicole (: 00:47

think we're a little bit bothered. Now that I know it's me, I feel like I have to say it.

Kelsie (: 00:48

I think we're a little bit bothered.

Ha ha

Ashley (: 00:53

I'm

Kelsie (: 00:53

ha.

Ashley (: 00:53

listening every time now, I'm gonna be listening to see if I can decipher that it's you, but I cannot tell that it's you. I think it's Kelsey still. In my head, it still sounds like Kelsey.

Nicole (: 00:58

It's me.

Kelsie (: 01:00

Hahaha.

Nicole (: 01:03

So the thing is, I don't know when I said that either. Like, I can't remember what episode I said that in. Was it our first one? I don't know. No idea.

Kelsie (: 01:03

Yeah

Well, it

Ashley (: 01:12

to go back and listen?

Yeah, no, I have no idea.

Kelsie (: 01:13

was part of our intro, so I don't know.

Nicole (: 01:15

It was part

of one of our intros back when we used to sing the intros. I'll just take your word for it because I can't remember.

Ashley (: 01:18

When we were saying them. Yeah.

Monica (: 01:18

at some point.

Kelsie (: 01:20

Yeah,

Ashley (: 01:22

Mm-hmm

Monica (: 01:25

Yeah, I can vouch. It's definitely you.

Kelsie (: 01:28

If you

Ashley (: 01:28

Hmm.

Monica (: 01:28

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 01:28

listen

right

at the last part, you can kind of hear Nicole. Like you can hear that it's her. I don't know. That's how I distinguished.

Ashley (: 01:35

I have yet to pick up on it.

I wonder if our listeners can tell who we are when we're talking. Like if they know which one of us is which. If they don't know us. Or if they only know one of us.

Nicole (: 01:38

so funny.

Monica (: 01:44

Yeah, that's a point.

Kelsie (: 01:45

Maybe when we're not bad.

Nicole (: 01:48

Ooh.

Kelsie (: 01:49

Yeah, I don't know. You have to let us know, guys.

Monica (: 01:49

Ooh, that's...

Nicole (: 01:52

Please.

Monica (: 01:52

Well,

I mean on that note, we introduce ourselves little bit so can hear our names and our voices? I'm Monica. Somebody else go.

Nicole (: 01:55

All

Kelsie (: 02:01

you

Ashley (: 02:01

I'm Ashley.

I'm Ashley.

Nicole (: 02:03

was choking!

I'm so sorry, I was choking. I'm Nicole.

Ashley (: 02:07

Well,

don't.

Kelsie (: 02:09

I'm Kelsey and I'm not choking. I'm A-OK.

Nicole (: 02:11

No, she's fine. It's just me choking.

Monica (: 02:15

We are such an organized podcast, it's unreal.

Nicole (: 02:19

This episode's not a good one for me to flex my voice and say which one is mine, because I don't sound okay still.

Kelsie (: 02:19

You

Ashley (: 02:20

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 02:27

You sound much better than you did, for sure.

Ashley (: 02:28

Well, by

Nicole (: 02:29

I

Ashley (: 02:29

process of elimination, that's Nicole.

Nicole (: 02:29

do sound better than I did. Right. We didn't have an episode. Yeah, last week we were gone. It is good to be back because it was Easter and I was also on death's doorstep. Knock, knock, knockin'.

Monica (: 02:32

Yes. It's good to be back though.

Ashley (: 02:36

Actually, yes. yeah.

Monica (: 02:43

Hmm.

Ashley (: 02:43

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 02:45

The whole

end of this month is honestly just like the most biggest clusterfuck ever. The most biggest. That doesn't sound right. The most big. It's a very large clusterfuck, whatever it is. It's the biggest.

Nicole (: 02:50

No, seriously. The biggest clusterfuck. I don't know. It's a mess is what it is. It's a lot.

Ashley (: 02:55

It's the largest.

Nicole (: 02:59

Too much is happening all in one week of the end of the month, pretty much, it seems like. We had Easter. My daughter's birthday was on Easter this year, and then my birthday is four days after hers. Kelsey, I know you're having your son's birthday party tomorrow.

Monica (: 02:59

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 03:03

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Monica (: 03:05

Yeah, it's

always this time of year. It's just crazy.

Kelsie (: 03:17

His birthday is tomorrow and his birthday party. Yeah. And then mine is Wednesday.

Nicole (: 03:18

His actual birthday is tomorrow, okay? And then your birthday is on Wednesday, yeah.

Ashley (: 03:19

Yeah.

Nicole (: 03:23

It's just been, it's a crazy week. It's a lot of birthdays.

Ashley (: 03:26

It's a lot of birthdays.

Monica (: 03:28

Mm-hmm.

A lot of birthdays.

Ashley (: 03:30

I was gonna say, Kelsey, your fly hasn't been making an appearance this season. Like, can you be the crier and the fly still if we haven't seen the fly?

Kelsie (: 03:30

Yup.

No, but it's not warm yet.

Trust me, I'm sure there's time. They're still awakening from winter. They haven't quite made their resurgence yet.

Nicole (: 03:42

you

Ashley (: 03:46

okay. Okay, okay, okay.

All right.

Nicole (: 03:47

you're definitely

still the crier, you got half of it down. ⁓

Ashley (: 03:51

We'll definitely

Kelsie (: 03:51

Yeah,

Ashley (: 03:51

keep the crier.

Kelsie (: 03:52

that will probably, that will never go away.

Nicole (: 03:53

That won't change ever.

She was crying yesterday because she was mad that she couldn't be mad anymore.

Ashley (: 04:01

You

Kelsie (: 04:01

Yeah,

Monica (: 04:02

much.

Kelsie (: 04:02

I was mad at Trevor and then he like debunked it. And so then I obviously, I'm pregnant. I'm just a girl.

Nicole (: 04:06

He debunked her reason for being mad, yeah.

Monica (: 04:15

You have a lot of excuses and reasons.

Kelsie (: 04:16

It was very upsetting that I got so

upset and then it was illegitimate and then I had to like find somewhere for those emotions to go.

Nicole (: 04:28

I can relate though, because I hate being mad about something and then it literally gets debunked and I'm like, well, I can't get back that energy. I can't get back. I'm wrong? Excuse me? I don't like being wrong. ⁓

Ashley (: 04:34

And then you're wrong and it's like.

Kelsie (: 04:37

you

I, after I, after I

figured out I was wrong, it just like, my resolve crumbled, I was like, I don't know. He's like, we should talk about this. I was like, there's nothing to talk about. I was wrong. ⁓

Ashley (: 04:50

What?

Monica (: 04:51

Still mad.

Ashley (: 04:55

Actually,

that I'm wrong, it's over. The conversation's over, the argument's over, everything's over.

Kelsie (: 05:03

It won't- I'm like there's nothing to talk about unless you want me to just tell you all the ways I was wrong!

Monica (: 05:03

Just drop it. Just walk away.

It's the worst though, because you like play the scenario and like the fight over in your head. So you're like mentally preparing for it then you're like, ⁓ okay.

Kelsie (: 05:19

I was ready.

I had every bullet point, like every avenue and it was, I was just wrong. They did. I was like, I'm not sure. I was like, I'm not sure that I need to pick this fight. Like I think it would be okay maybe to let it go. I'm not sure if I'm being petty and they're like, no, you yeah, do it.

Ashley (: 05:26

Yeah, and we gassed her up about it too. We're like, you have every right to be mad at that man.

Nicole (: 05:28

We did, we did. We were like, you are right. You are in the right.

Monica (: 05:31

Okay. ⁓

I am just...

you

Nicole (: 05:42

Wait!

Monica (: 05:45

Okay, well the best part is like I was so far behind but I missed all of it because I'm driving back right and so last night I'm like 8 30 at night and like scrolling through trying to totally

Nicole (: 05:59

Yeah, Monica was on a camping trip living her best life in peaceful, peaceful silence nature. Yeah.

Ashley (: 05:59

Ha ha ha ha.

Monica (: 06:02

I was cragging up.

Kelsie (: 06:05

They validated everything and then he

was like, actually, that's not how it happened.

Ashley (: 06:10

Well, okay,

for the record, I did in the beginning, I'm pretty sure in the beginning I said something like, are we sure it's worth it? But then you guys said, yeah. And I said, okay, well then I'll get behind it then. And then I egged you on.

Monica (: 06:12

You actually don't have a reason to be mad.

Nicole (: 06:21

Yeah. And we're there. We're

Kelsie (: 06:24

Yeah, well you said think

Nicole (: 06:25

waging war.

Kelsie (: 06:25

selfishly will this benefit you today or not to engage in this fight Yeah, no, I did. I thought I was right. It would happen

Ashley (: 06:30

And you said yes. And I said, okay.

If you were right.

Kelsie (: 06:39

It worked out okay, but.

Nicole (: 06:39

And she laid it out, she laid

it out to where it made perfect sense and we were there for her. were like, yeah, we're going into battle. Yes, we're standing right behind you girl. got, and then, and then it crumbled down.

Kelsie (: 06:46

Is it? Yes. Yeah.

Ashley (: 06:47

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 06:48

Yeah. If those, yeah, if those did turn out to be the

facts, it would have been right on track. It was just not the facts.

Nicole (: 06:55

It's fine. We're doing good.

Kelsie (: 06:55

It would've been fine.

It wasn't the best.

Ashley (: 06:59

But wait, we're here

and did he go shooting this morning or no? Did he stay home?

Kelsie (: 07:06

So it wasn't, I guess it was going to be this afternoon and I was like, well, can I at least like record the podcast before you go? you're, he's like, or that's not how it happened. He, I was like, I need to record and he's like, well, can I go after? And I was like, if you pick up Mattis's cake. And so he was like, okay, but then they canceled.

Ashley (: 07:24

Hahaha ⁓

Monica (: 07:24

you

Ashley (: 07:27

best case scenario.

Nicole (: 07:31

⁓ All of it for nothing.

Kelsie (: 07:32

Really the best gay scenario.

Ashley (: 07:34

Well,

now you get to record. He's not going to go and he still has to pick up the cake. So boom, boom, boom. It's a win, win, win.

Monica (: 07:39

Seriously.

Nicole (: 07:42

It is a win-win. That's so funny. That is really funny. goodness.

Monica (: 07:42

I mean, we've all been there. We've all experienced this and some shape or form. We get it.

Ashley (: 07:46

That's funny. Yeah.

well what are we talking

about today? What's happening?

Monica (: 07:52

You're gonna have

Kelsie (: 07:52

I reread, I reread the Hunger Games and read the new ones

Nicole (: 07:53

Well, I feel like it's-

Monica (: 07:57

that's right.

Nicole (: 07:57

yeah.

Yeah, book chat, book chat.

Kelsie (: 08:00

Because like when I don't it's been a couple years since that ⁓ other one came out about President Snow ⁓ But I I did not get the hype on that whenever it first came out like I Didn't I missed I I don't know

Nicole (: 08:07

No?

Yeah, I didn't jump on that bandwagon either.

Monica (: 08:17

I don't usually

care about the origin story of the villain. I'm like, whatever.

Ashley (: 08:21

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 08:21

I don't know if I even knew it was about him or like, or if I just, there was just not enough like people hyping it up that I was like, I don't want to read that, but it was good.

Nicole (: 08:21

I do. I do.

Ashley (: 08:24

Ahem.

I love to hang hunger games and I didn't even like know about the new books that came out. Like I don't remember hearing about it. It wasn't, it didn't get like big.

Nicole (: 08:33

I don't think I...

Monica (: 08:38

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 08:39

Yeah, I feel like it was just poor like yeah

Nicole (: 08:39

he from Yeah, for me, it just like, I feel like

it came out too long after Yeah, so then I was like, ⁓ like, I'm not really Yeah, I'm like, I'm not really in it anymore. Like if it would have came out when I was really into the Hunger Games, like I would have been in it, you know.

Monica (: 08:45

Mm-mm.

Kelsie (: 08:47

It's too late. Too... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 08:48

Yes. Yeah. Too big of a gap.

Monica (: 08:49

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ashley (: 08:54

We're over it.

Monica (: 08:57

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Kelsie (: 08:57

If it would have been like

a year or two after, think it would have kept with it. But I think it's resurging now because she released the Hey Mitch one. So now it's like everybody's circling back to reread them all. And now there's a lot of hype about it, which is good because that was a good book. And it was a good movie that the one about snow and Hey Mitch is is going to be so good. But his is like royally fucked like that, dude. I know why he's an out.

Nicole (: 09:02

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

⁓

Yeah. They're great books. Was it?

Ashley (: 09:22

Yeah.

Nicole (: 09:24

I can't wait. I'm gonna start it.

Monica (: 09:24

That makes me sad. I love Tate Mitch.

Kelsie (: 09:28

If you want to know why he's an alcoholic,

Nicole (: 09:28

I'm probably gonna start it tomorrow.

Kelsie (: 09:30

it's justified.

Nicole (: 09:32

Honestly, I'll probably start it tomorrow. Maybe, I don't know. I've just finished Kingdom of Ash so. I'm officially done with Throne of Glass. Woohoo! We're still waiting on Monica and Ashley to finish. So we can't say anything. We can't say anything yet, but I'm done and I'm happy to be done. It was good. I'm glad I did it. Yes, you guys got a few more books to go. Three more books. Two more books. What do you have? What do you want?

Kelsie (: 09:42

I've read seven books since I finished.

Monica (: 09:43

This is a freaking marathon. My gosh.

Yeah.

Ashley (: 09:49

We're on what? The fifth. We're on the fifth.

Monica (: 09:52

Yeah, I think so.

Ashley (: 09:56

Mm-hmm. But they're picking up speed. Like this

Kelsie (: 09:58

No.

Ashley (: 09:59

book picks up speed. Six. Yeah, the longest ones though. I think it's like 25 hours and 33 hours if you're listening.

Kelsie (: 09:59

You're on the sit. No, you have two more left.

Monica (: 10:00

You

Nicole (: 10:02

You only have two more left. Yeah. Yeah,

Monica (: 10:02

You have two more left after this one.

Kelsie (: 10:05

Yeah. Yeah.

Monica (: 10:07

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 10:09

the last three books are the longest ones, but they're the best. Yeah. No, they're so good. And honestly, I love Chaol book. cannot wait for you guys to get to Chaol book. And I see so much hate for Tower of Dawn. Like, nobody likes this book. This is Chaol book. I fucking love that book. That's one of my favorites, I think. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 10:09

They're the best ones, though, so it's fine. Yeah.

Ashley (: 10:25

That's the next one.

Monica (: 10:28

I do

like kale, so...

Nicole (: 10:28

Queen of Shadows is probably

Queen of Shadows is my favorite, think, and then Kale's book and then Kingdom of Ash. But like too many things happen in Kingdom of Ash that I almost feel like it's hard for that one to be my actual favorite because just it's like four books in one I feel like like it's a lot. It's a big book. It's a big book.

Ashley (: 10:35

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 10:49

Yeah, it's a lot.

Ashley (: 10:51

Okay, wait, I have a question. Does Kaol's book, is it just a continuation of the timeline but in his point of view or is it his point of view from a previous timeline?

Nicole (: 11:03

No, no. So yeah, the events that are happening are within the same timeline of Empire of Storms. So Empire of Storms and Tower of Dawn are doing the same thing. But Empire of Storms, you're with Aelyn and crew and Tower of Dawn, you're with Kayal and company. He gets his own crew. Yeah, he has his own crew.

Kelsie (: 11:05

It's in the timeline.

What you're reading now is like, yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 11:22

⁓ him going to the place he's going. Okay. Got it. Yes. He's

Kelsie (: 11:26

Yeah, so he's not there right now. He's,

yeah, so you'd just be reading where he's at. He's not, yeah, yeah.

Ashley (: 11:29

not really going to be in this book and then we're going to hear where he's been. Got it. Okay.

Nicole (: 11:32

No, he's not in that book at all. Yeah, right.

Monica (: 11:34

Got it.

Nicole (: 11:35

Yep. So when you guys get to Tower of Dawn, you have to like remember to jump backwards. Because I, I knew that was happening. But then I texted Kelsey and I was like, what the fuck does this guy know talking about a certain character? And I was like, wait a second, he actually doesn't know anything because it hasn't happened yet. Nevermind like

Monica (: 11:35

Okay.

Kelsie (: 11:36

Yes.

Ashley (: 11:36

Understood.

We're going back in time.

Monica (: 11:41

Yeah. You're doing it.

Kelsie (: 11:53

Like, I knew they were on the same timeline at

Ashley (: 11:54

Yeah.

Monica (: 11:55

⁓ okay.

Kelsie (: 11:57

some point in my knowledge of the books. I knew that. But when I started reading Kale's, it was gone. I was probably three fourths the way through the book before I was like, oh, this is the ones that are supposed to be like at the same time. Okay, this makes more sense now. I was like trying to figure out where we were in the world. yeah.

Nicole (: 12:14

So funny.

That's

funny. I don't think if I would have known beforehand that they were happening at the same time that I would have figured it out. I think it would have taken me longer to figure it out, but I knew because I knew that those ones were the tandem read.

Kelsie (: 12:29

You don't, you wouldn't know until

you figured out where Alyn was and yeah. Yeah.

Nicole (: 12:33

Yeah. Which

those two are the books that people say to tandem read and I don't know why. Now I remember Kelsey, you had said it doesn't make sense that you would tandem read these. It literally doesn't make sense that you would tandem read it. That's it, but they have nothing to do with each other. They're literally not even the same storyline.

Kelsie (: 12:46

They're on the same timeline, but they have nothing to do. They're light years apart. Like.

Monica (: 12:50

Mmm.

Kelsie (: 12:54

No, it would just be a lot. It would be a lot, I think. And it would take away from like, Kale's book is so good. And I feel like it would just take away from how good his book is. Yeah. It's good. But yeah, I look. Yeah.

Monica (: 12:54

Yeah.

Nicole (: 12:55

I think it would just be too much information.

Monica (: 12:57

I think a tandem read like that.

Nicole (: 13:03

Yeah, take away from it, I agree. I mean, Empire of Storms is so good too in its own right. And for like Alyn's

own storyline, it is so good. I, know, Cael deserves his moment, I think, even though I couldn't stand him for half of the series.

Monica (: 13:16

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 13:16

It was just a really good, yeah.

Monica (: 13:19

I think a tandem read like that would only be

fun if it's like your re-read to like really put them side by side. But for the first time through, I don't think I would want to. I would be so confused.

Kelsie (: 13:23

Yeah.

Nicole (: 13:24

Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 13:25

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Nicole (: 13:30

And I'm also so glad, I know three of the four of us did this. We did Assassin's Blade first. I am so glad we did Assassin's Blade first. ⁓

Kelsie (: 13:30

Mm-mm.

Monica (: 13:37

Yes. Although my sister and

I were talking about it she made a good point that like for her, if she would have read Assassin's Blade first, she would have been really annoyed with Selena. And she wouldn't like, because she comes across as like really cocky, which she is, right? She's really cocky and arrogant. But like for me, I took a completely opposite take from her. I enjoyed it because you got to see like some of the why and the shit that she's been through.

Nicole (: 13:48

Why?

Kelsie (: 13:49

It's always the people

Nicole (: 13:53

She is very cocky. There's a reason though. There's like, you know.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 14:06

But for her, she's like, I think I would have been just like too annoyed and wouldn't have wanted to go on with the series.

Kelsie (: 14:10

What I've learned is that no matter who you talk to, however they read it, they are convinced that that is the way that it should be read. And they can give you a thousand reasons why it should be read that way. And it's just...

Nicole (: 14:16

that they swear by it. Yes.

Monica (: 14:19

Yes.

Ashley (: 14:20

Yeah.

Monica (: 14:23

Yes.

Ashley (: 14:26

I don't feel very strongly that it has to be read in the order I read it, cuz I read it, I read Assassin's Blade third, right? As the third book? Yeah, but I liked it. I didn't think it was annoying to go back in time at that point or anything. I thought it was fine. I don't know, but yeah.

Nicole (: 14:32

You

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 14:35

I think so, yeah. ⁓

Monica (: 14:36

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 14:38

Yeah.

Monica (: 14:45

I think it would have been okay. There's such short stories

that like, it's okay, you're not like really immersed in like a huge long book, but I still liked it. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 14:52

I just liked knowing what she was referencing

when she was referencing it and not having to be like, what's this we're talking about?

Nicole (: 14:55

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 15:00

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 15:00

Yeah,

Ashley (: 15:00

Yeah, like kind of cryptic.

Nicole (: 15:01

I also really liked that.

Kelsie (: 15:03

Yeah.

Monica (: 15:03

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 15:04

I like that by the end of the series, everything that you've read in Assassin's Blade makes another appearance by the end of the series. So I guess in that, right, it might be nice to read it, you know, third, because maybe it's a little bit more fresh in your mind. But for me, I didn't have that problem. I retain every time something was brought up, I knew it was from Assassin's Blade or whatever. like it. I liked having Assassin's Blade as that little kind of reference almost, or like a callback. Like it was just nice where we

Monica (: 15:11

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 15:11

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 15:13

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 15:19

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 15:22

Yeah.

Nicole (: 15:34

I'd be listening and then something from Assassin's Blade would make an appearance and I was like, nice little call back to our friends in Assassin's Blade, like I love it, you know. It just kind of like throws you back to the beginning of the story for me or like, and there's stuff too that like, there's one character in Kingdom of Ash that I completely forgot about until he shows up again and I was like, ⁓ I totally forgot about that guy. He was in Throne of Glass. I forgot about him.

Ashley (: 15:43

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 16:01

I need to talk

to you about that guy. I was waiting until you were done.

Nicole (: 16:04

Well, okay, text me because I is it the same guy? It might not be I don't know if it's the same guy I'm thinking about. Okay, but I was like, I totally forgot about that person. what a nice little callback now I it almost like makes you recall that entire book because I feel like sometimes when I'm reading one book, I forget about all the rest of focusing on that one book until something happens that makes me remember the other plot lines in the story, you know, then I'm like, yeah, that happened.

Kelsie (: 16:08

I'm pretty sure it's the same guy.

Ashley (: 16:22

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 16:30

Yes. Yes, Kelsey. Yes.

Kelsie (: 16:32

Whenever they're

done we need to discuss that because I have big feelings about that guy coming back and Yeah, I can't I'll tell you

Nicole (: 16:37

Do you really? Okay, I'm interested to hear. I'm really...

Ashley (: 16:39

I can't even think of who it would be that you're talking about. I'm like, who is the guy? What guy?

Monica (: 16:41

So cryptic for our listeners.

Nicole (: 16:46

You won't know, can't tell you, so. won't know. No, I mean, I'm not telling you. Yeah, I'm not telling you. It doesn't ruin or not ruin anything, but I'm not telling you. ⁓

Ashley (: 16:46

I can't remember.

Monica (: 16:48

Does it ruin anything if we know he comes back?

Kelsie (: 16:51

I mean, it's kind of a fun little surprise, yeah.

Ashley (: 16:54

Mm.

Monica (: 16:54

Okay.

Ashley (: 16:58

There's so many characters I

feel like in this book. I have to like think sometimes when they like bring up a new character, I'm like, who is that again?

Monica (: 17:01

I know. Which I think is actually, I

Nicole (: 17:02

We could talk.

Monica (: 17:06

think it's kind of fascinating actually that there's so many characters in this book and you don't hear any hate about that. But in fourth wing, when the last book came out, there was so much hate about how there's so many characters and it's so hard to keep track of. I really didn't feel like that was the case.

Nicole (: 17:14

⁓ my god.

Ashley (: 17:18

⁓ I did actually have a hard time keeping track

Kelsie (: 17:18

Yeah.

Nicole (: 17:18

⁓ my god, that pisses

Ashley (: 17:20

of

Nicole (: 17:20

me off.

Ashley (: 17:20

people in the last fourth wing too.

Kelsie (: 17:22

I didn't,

I feel like I like needed a second for my mind to like re-jog on some people, but it wasn't like, I have no idea what the fuck we're talking about. Like I got on.

Nicole (: 17:23

Ahem.

Monica (: 17:27

Yeah.

Ashley (: 17:31

I think it's because...

Monica (: 17:32

Right?

Nicole (: 17:32

And I feel like

there's way more characters in Throne of Glass to like lose track of than there even is in Fourth Wing. You know what I mean? It's like comparatively, there's not that many in Fourth Wing.

Ashley (: 17:37

There is. There is.

Kelsie (: 17:39

Mm.

Monica (: 17:40

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 17:43

The only difference for me is like,

Monica (: 17:46

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 17:47

we have read Throne of Glass like all in a row, you know? So like there's not time to forget. And with Fourth Ring Wing, we read it and then we're waiting. Well, at least I was waiting for a while for Onyx Storm. So then like I had read other books and forgotten. So if that's other people's experience, I guess I see why you'd be like, who is that? Wait, what? But.

Nicole (: 17:52

Yes, yeah.

You were, because you're not a psycho.

Monica (: 17:58

Yeah.

Yeah, if you didn't do a reread.

Ashley (: 18:09

Otherwise there is way more in Throne of Glass.

Monica (: 18:11

Mm-hmm. And they have similar names too. my gosh, you too. They're having a secret conversation on the middle of the podcast.

Nicole (: 18:15

Sorry.

Kelsie (: 18:16

Yeah

Ha

Nicole (: 18:27

Sorry.

Kelsie (: 18:27

I've been waiting

to tell her about this for her to finish.

Ashley (: 18:32

Okay.

Nicole (: 18:32

we could absolutely talk about this book probably for like this series for an entire episode Because there's so much that goes on but we're not gonna do that. We're just good. We'll shut up about it We'll move on. What else are we talking about today?

Kelsie (: 18:42

Someday, well, we should just go off on a tangent

recording it and release it as its own, like, throne of the last episode because... and get it out of our system!

Nicole (: 18:48

We really

Monica (: 18:49

real.

Ashley (: 18:49

Yeah. Yeah.

When we finish, when we finish we can.

Nicole (: 18:52

should especially because which were Yeah, we're really bad about we're kind of sorry guys. We're kind of bad about the whole social media thing We made a fable or like do our book club with us blah blah blah where you we suck at that alright We suck at it True

Kelsie (: 19:02

you

Ashley (: 19:03

Blah blah blah.

Kelsie (: 19:06

To be honest, we're barely surviving life as it is, like to be adding

Monica (: 19:10

That's true.

Kelsie (: 19:10

all these extra things, like... Just... love us. We're just a bunch of girls.

Nicole (: 19:12

Very true. Very, true. But we also, I

also think like we just, yeah, Jessica, we also rapidly consume these books, but at different speeds. Like usually Kelsey and I fly through whatever series and we're waiting for our besties to catch up and we're like, dude, come on. Stop having a life and just read the book.

Ashley (: 19:17

you

Monica (: 19:17

Kelsey's favorite

phrase lately. I'm just.

Ashley (: 19:20

That's her excuse for everything.

Kelsie (: 19:26

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

you

Ashley (: 19:34

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 19:38

Yeah.

Nicole (: 19:42

That's the problem is me and Kelsey don't have lives.

Kelsie (: 19:43

Yeah.

We have children and a house to clean and books to listen to.

Nicole (: 19:48

Not really anyway. And that's pretty much it. Books to

listen to, houses to clean, that's it. Children to feed and make sure they don't break anything or break themselves. And that's it. It's so funny. ⁓ It is a lot. Sponsor Billy, yike. You guys are real adults. ⁓

Kelsie (: 19:55

And drive, in my case.

Monica (: 20:00

Still a lot.

Kelsie (: 20:03

It's a lot in its own way. You guys have different sponsor-abilities. ⁓

Monica (: 20:04

Yes. Sponsor

abilities.

Kelsie (: 20:09

Rugrats.

Ashley (: 20:11

sponsor abilities.

Nicole (: 20:13

Okay,

what else are we gonna chat about? Because I think last episode we had so many things we wanted to talk about and we didn't get to them all because we started going off on other tangents as per usual. Yeah.

Monica (: 20:17

friends.

Ashley (: 20:25

Wait, wait, can I ask a question? I have something I want to ask question before we get into our actual

Monica (: 20:29

Yeah.

Ashley (: 20:30

scheduled things. Are you guys following the Justin Bieber drama?

Monica (: 20:36

Is there a new drama? What is the new drama?

Nicole (: 20:36

I was kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 20:37

I was before I got off social media.

Ashley (: 20:39

Okay.

Nicole (: 20:41

The last thing I watched was the seven part series of Haley being a stalker.

Ashley (: 20:41

Well, it's all just like, it's all ⁓ speculation. What?

Kelsie (: 20:48

I mean, people think that he's like going off the rails. He looks unwell.

Ashley (: 20:50

Going off the deep end, yeah.

Monica (: 20:51

I saw something about like him going off the deep end because,

Nicole (: 20:52

Which honestly...

Ashley (: 20:55

He does look unwell.

Monica (: 20:55

okay, is this the same stuff as like because Selena's engaged or is this other stuff? Cause that stuff I saw was AI.

Ashley (: 20:59

⁓ that was part of it.

Kelsie (: 20:59

I don't

They people

Nicole (: 21:02

I think that

was, people say it's a catalyst. I agree.

Kelsie (: 21:03

say that I think they just keep feeding that beast. But I think a lot of it, they say, started when all this like ditty stuff came out, which I find more believable to be causing this spin out than Selena. mean, we're adults. I'm sure that he's an adult and he's married with a child. I think that this is not like ending his life.

Monica (: 21:06

Yeah.

Ashley (: 21:06

Yeah.

Monica (: 21:10

Mmm. Yeah, I agree.

Nicole (: 21:11

I, I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 21:17

Yeah.

Monica (: 21:19

Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 21:21

Yeah.

Yeah, people are just attached to the Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez like relationship, probably more than the two of them like ever were, you know, but yeah.

Kelsie (: 21:26

They are. They never got over it and that's okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Monica (: 21:31

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 21:31

I'm

really interested in the Haley Bieber being a stalker situation. Like that, that intrigues me very much.

Monica (: 21:37

That is an interesting one.

Kelsie (: 21:37

Well, I watched a clip the other day where she

was like, it sounds like an arranged marriage, but it's not. She's like, this is not arranged marriage. And then he's like on the Ellen show and he's like, I think I'm in an arranged marriage.

Monica (: 21:49

Mwahahah!

Nicole (: 21:49

Yeah,

Ashley (: 21:50

Ha ha ha ha ha

Nicole (: 21:50

yeah, he's been calling it an arranged marriage for a long time actually, I guess. Kind of, it makes it's like almost legitimate though. It's like, I could kind of see where maybe like some of these things and that's the thing all the gossip channels. It's like

Monica (: 21:55

You

Kelsie (: 21:55

It is kind of like, if you go down that rabbit hole, is kind of odd. Yeah. Yeah.

Monica (: 21:58

Yeah, it's funny.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 22:07

Well, I think it's interesting.

Nicole (: 22:11

Sometimes these people make sense. I'm like, okay, you can connect that dot to that dot to that dot. Okay, we might have an actual storyline here. I do feel bad for him.

Monica (: 22:14

Yeah.

Ashley (: 22:16

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 22:19

I feel so bad for him. I feel bad for him and I feel bad almost. I almost

Ashley (: 22:19

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 22:22

feel bad talking about it just because I feel like how much of these speculations perpetuate his like unwellness because people are just like constant about it and they just make they've gone wild making up so many different angles to this.

Monica (: 22:25

Yeah.

Nicole (: 22:30

Yeah.

Monica (: 22:30

Mhm. Sure.

Ashley (: 22:31

for sure.

Nicole (: 22:37

Yeah.

Monica (: 22:39

I feel so bad

for him. Like he was so young being put into such an extreme spotlight and to grow up with like that much access to things that no 13 year old should have access to. Like how could that not impact you? Yeah.

Ashley (: 22:44

Thank

Kelsie (: 22:49

Well, and sounds like he was definitely exposed to the wrong people as well

in that. So I worry about him.

Nicole (: 22:56

I

actually hope like a lot of this ditty stuff does come to light like all the like everything I always feel like gets buried and we never actually find out what you know the end of it is I hope it actually all comes out we find out the truth of whatever happened and the people that were like victimized actually get to take this and use it to heal and like move forward and you know what I mean like yeah yes

Monica (: 23:08

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 23:20

I hope that it's healing and not the opposite because people take

Monica (: 23:21

That's what I worry about.

Kelsie (: 23:24

things

and they make them so like gross that...

Nicole (: 23:26

and it's hard because they're already in the spotlight. And

Monica (: 23:30

Right.

Nicole (: 23:30

so there's gonna, there's just gonna be so much attention on it anyway.

Kelsie (: 23:33

they're gonna decide if it call comes out, they're gonna, the public is gonna decide how like Justin feels about it. And then that's not, that's not good for him or his mental health. I don't think to have people.

Nicole (: 23:36

.

Ashley (: 23:36

you ⁓

Monica (: 23:41

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 23:41

Yeah, that's not fair. That's not good for him, No.

Ashley (: 23:41

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 23:47

Well, I think it's that because it's

like, if there was any abuse by anyone, whether it's Justin or anybody else, like that's such a personal thing. And it's already extremely traumatic to have to go through a court case and like relive it, but to do it so publicly for the entire like world to see. Right.

Nicole (: 23:57

Mmm.

Kelsie (: 24:02

I think of it like, did you ever watch

the documentary with Drake from Drake and Josh?

Monica (: 24:07

No, but you guys told me about it.

Nicole (: 24:07

Yes. ⁓

Kelsie (: 24:09

It kind of reminds me of that.

Nicole (: 24:10

yes.

Kelsie (: 24:11

I feel like he was doing not well for a long time and I feel like he seems to be doing better but it's also he came out kind of on his own terms and talked about it and I think that makes a difference.

Monica (: 24:11

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 24:21

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 24:21

Hmm.

Hmm.

Monica (: 24:23

absolutely. Whereas this is just something that's being forced upon anybody who is victimized that now this is happening. And like, that's part of what happens in like the court system is when it processes, it processes. But I can't imagine that that's good for any of their mental health to have it so publicly like processed through, especially because everyone is going to make their speculation of like, well, that must mean because like this happened here and like, that's why he did this. That's why they went like, we don't know.

Kelsie (: 24:28

Yeah.

Nicole (: 24:34

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 24:40

Yeah.

Nicole (: 24:41

And that timing has gotta suck.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mm-mm.

Monica (: 24:50

We know none of

Ashley (: 24:50

Well,

Monica (: 24:51

it.

Kelsie (: 24:51

but also

Ashley (: 24:51

the last thing that came out on Justin, that, the last news thing that was being spread around about him was ⁓ he recorded and posted a picture of the paparazzi coming out of somewhere. I don't know if it was his house or something, but coming out of somewhere and it was just paparazzi everywhere. And he's like, you guys have to stop. Look at this. This is crazy. Please stop. And in the caption, he said something like that too. Like, this has to stop. that was a... Yeah.

Monica (: 25:12

Yeah.

Nicole (: 25:13

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 25:16

He said that for years though. He's been on

Monica (: 25:17

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 25:19

the paparazzi for years. just like this is, and he's not wrong. Like it's like one thing if you're standing at a corner and taking a picture from someone, but like they get up in their, and I just, I don't subscribe to the fact that they don't deserve a little bit of privacy and space and respect. Yeah.

Monica (: 25:21

Just leave me alone.

Nicole (: 25:24

No.

Ashley (: 25:24

No.

Nicole (: 25:29

Yeah, if you're in public.

Ashley (: 25:31

They're f- they're aggressive.

Monica (: 25:32

Yeah, there's one of him.

Yeah, there's one clip

Nicole (: 25:38

Privacy they're their people, you know, that's

that's what bothers me like yes, they choose to live their life in the spotlight, but they also still deserve the human decency of Privacy like you can leave these people alone if they're out in public. It's one thing you don't need to be in the bushes by their house leave them alone like Yeah

Monica (: 25:41

from him.

Yeah.

Ashley (: 25:51

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 25:51

Like, I don't think there's any, yeah.

Monica (: 25:56

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 25:57

Well, and you don't need to be in their face. Like, stand

across the street and take pictures if that's, you believe that's your right to somebody, a public figure, but like, why, like you, they literally shouldn't have to feel like they need to throw a punch to walk through your crowd, like.

Nicole (: 26:04

Mm-hmm.

No, no, God no.

Monica (: 26:11

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 26:12

Yeah,

Monica (: 26:12

Well, there's one of him and it's like yeah, they want to make they want to make a buck Yeah

Ashley (: 26:12

but they're all just trying to get the best picture. They're all just trying to get the best to the closest, like, so it's they're battling each other to be right up on top of them.

Nicole (: 26:15

Yeah, to make a quick buck.

Ridiculous.

Monica (: 26:23

Yeah, it's so sad.

Nicole (: 26:25

Yeah, it is. And I think...

Ashley (: 26:25

Yeah, on that same kind of thing, that same topic,

the, did you see that that that lady who was one of the main like abuse accusers of Jeffrey Epstein and ⁓ Prince Andrew died by suicide yesterday or today or something? Yeah, Virginia, ⁓ Virginia Goofery or Giafrey or something like that. If you saw her picture, you'd probably recognize her. She killed herself.

Nicole (: 26:41

Virginia?

Monica (: 26:42

No, I did not see that. Suspicious.

Nicole (: 26:44

Shut up.

Yeah, yeah. You're kidding. No, I know exactly what

Kelsie (: 26:54

I get all my

news via social media, so I'm very not getting any news. Yeah, I feel very disconnected from life right now. It's very unsettling, but.

Nicole (: 26:55

you're talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. was... I was very...

Monica (: 26:58

Kelsey's sheltered now. And you're normally like our pop culture

Ashley (: 26:59

Yeah.

Monica (: 27:02

queen. So like now we're all cut off.

Ashley (: 27:03

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 27:08

I was very, very like heavily into that case when it first came out. So I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, she got into a car. Oh, she'd gotten into a car accident. And then she all of sudden, I do remember, I didn't know she died. She got into a car accident and then she had like liver failure or some kidney failure. Something went wrong with her organs after this car accident. I did not know she died.

Ashley (: 27:16

Yeah.

No, this they're saying was suicide.

Nicole (: 27:36

my god dies by

Monica (: 27:36

Weird.

Nicole (: 27:37

suicide

just week. No, I know. But the last thing I heard about her was she got another car crash that she doesn't she didn't think was an accident. And then she had this organ failure that she also didn't think was an accident. She thought something happened to her at the hospital. And now this that doesn't look good. That doesn't look good. Yeah, it says right here. Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia. I don't know how to say her last name. Whatever dies by suicide just weeks after

Ashley (: 27:41

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, it's crazy.

Nicole (: 28:05

horror car crash. That sucks. Weeks after the car crash, right? And it says suicide. Yeah, that sucks because she was trying really, really hard to like, get people to pay.

Monica (: 28:08

it was weeks after.

Wow.

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Ashley (: 28:23

Yeah, she was

Monica (: 28:23

It's very

Ashley (: 28:24

very

Monica (: 28:24

suspicious.

Ashley (: 28:24

outspoken and yeah.

Nicole (: 28:24

their dues, I guess. I don't know how else to say this. Yeah, she was trying

to get everything to come to light. However, a lot of people have a problem with her. They don't think that there's a lot of people out there that think that she's lying about a lot of things, but I don't know. I don't see it, especially now that, now it's just really sketchy that she died by suicide. That seems to be a common theme with this case though.

Ashley (: 28:40

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 28:41

Yeah, all these big cases are just very interesting just to see how they play out.

Ashley (: 28:46

Yeah, it's very sketchy, very sketchy.

Monica (: 28:53

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 28:54

Yeah,

sure does. How weird.

Nicole (: 28:56

which makes it even more

Monica (: 28:56

Yep. Very

Nicole (: 28:59

sketchy.

Monica (: 28:59

interesting. We're not saying anything, but...

Ashley (: 29:01

⁓ yes. And also, yeah, we're not, but we are.

Kelsie (: 29:06

Sure you want to talk about this?

Ashley (: 29:10

Well, in other news, while I'm on this tangent. Yeah, we've solved it. In other news, while I'm on this tangent, ⁓ I want to watch the Aaron Carter documentary also that's on Netflix. Have you seen it? Okay, I haven't watched it yet, but I still want to.

Nicole (: 29:11

We're not saying we cracked the case, but I think we cracked the case.

Monica (: 29:17

Yeah, we've.

Nicole (: 29:17

We solved it. We know.

Yes, you keep bringing this up. No, you keep bringing this up though.

Kelsie (: 29:28

I didn't even know there

were- you keep saying this, I didn't know there was one.

Ashley (: 29:31

Yes, there is about, you know, his whole, I think it's on Netflix and ⁓ Nick Carter and the sister that's still alive, her name might be Ashley. I don't remember. They're like in it, you know, talking because there's there was five kids and three of them died of drug overdoses now, including Aaron Carter with his drugs and, you know, drowning in his bathtub. But yeah, when I started seeing the Justin Bieber stuff, really like was reminding me of of. ⁓

Nicole (: 29:32

What is it on?

Okay.

I have a question.

I have a question about

Aaron Carter that I guess I'm just gonna have to watch the documentary. Did he have the same doctor that, what is his name, Michael Jackson had? Oh, oh, wait, okay. Speaking of pop culture moments, sorry, you guys know Matthew Perry? Chandler Bing? Okay, remember how everybody thought he...

Ashley (: 30:01

Aaron Carter.

Monica (: 30:06

Mm.

Ashley (: 30:08

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 30:15

Conspiracy Queen. Yes. Yes.

Ashley (: 30:20

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 30:24

died of an overdose, also drowning in his hot tub. Now there is actual evidence that he did not drown accidentally because of an overdose. He actually was unalived by somebody else, they're saying. Just crazy.

Kelsie (: 30:37

Well, yeah, his assistant or whatever got charged

with something. This has been a while back. His assistant got charged for like giving him too much ketamine or something like that.

Nicole (: 30:43

I just heard about this the other day.

Monica (: 30:47

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 30:47

Yeah,

I just heard about this the other day that they have now come out with it, that it has been ruled as.

Ashley (: 30:50

yeah, I don't know if I knew that.

Kelsie (: 30:53

But the doctor also got charged

Monica (: 30:54

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 30:54

because he was ⁓ frequently over like over over prescribing. Yeah.

Monica (: 30:59

over prescribing.

Nicole (: 31:00

prescribing overdosing him so

Ashley (: 31:00

Overprescribed.

Kelsie (: 31:04

or something to that effect,

Nicole (: 31:04

see why listen young people you don't want to be famous

Ashley (: 31:06

Interesting.

Kelsie (: 31:08

I don't know if that's a conspiracy. think that's just

a poor, like that's just bad ⁓ care, basically. was just like cocky, uncareful care. Yeah.

Monica (: 31:15

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 31:19

Maybe. I don't know.

Ashley (: 31:19

You just don't think anything's going

to happen. Yeah.

Nicole (: 31:22

But still, to all the young people that I'm sure are listening to our podcast because it's so ⁓ out there, thousands of listeners, you don't want to be famous. You do not want to be Hollywood famous. You don't want to do it. It's not worth it. Hollywood famous is not worth it. I'm sorry. Just start a podcast and yap at your friends and it'll make you feel happy. Okay? Just you don't need to go to Hollywood.

Monica (: 31:23

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 31:26

To the thousands of young people flocking to our podcast.

Ashley (: 31:28

Public service announcement!

Monica (: 31:32

Right? PSA.

Ashley (: 31:38

It's not all it's cracked up to be. Yeah. Yes.

Kelsie (: 31:38

Just be mediocre podcast famous, it's so much better.

Monica (: 31:40

Yeah.

Media!

Ashley (: 31:47

Damn, bitch, tell us how you really feel.

Monica (: 31:50

At we know who we are.

Kelsie (: 31:50

Just be an influencer.

Nicole (: 31:53

Yeah, be an influencer.

Monica (: 31:53

We know who we are.

Kelsie (: 31:56

I know who we are.

Nicole (: 31:56

Start a podcast. You don't need Hollywood. Stop. That's so scary to me. Hollywood is actually something that is so scary to me. Like how do you

Monica (: 32:05

is terrifying.

Ashley (: 32:07

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 32:07

Well, I was actually listening

to, ⁓ my gosh, this is so rude that I have forgotten his name when it's literally the whole point is that he's Zac Efron's brother. And one of the points they made was like that he's always called Zac Efron's brother, but like I'm having the most major brain fart right now and I cannot think of his name.

Ashley (: 32:22

Ha ha ha ha!

Nicole (: 32:26

Google it before we move on.

Kelsie (: 32:32

very familiar with him too. So the fact that it slipped my brain is like...

Nicole (: 32:32

you

I didn't even know Zac Efron had a brother, so.

Kelsie (: 32:39

He did and he's

Dylan Dylan Dylan. I knew it was a basic name, but I was like no he's No, it is Zach Dylan they're all very like common boy names No, no, but anyways he he's No, he's not forgettable. He's actually gorgeous and ⁓ He's got a very he's on the show traders. You should watch it because it's a really good show but ⁓

Ashley (: 32:40

added me there.

Monica (: 32:41

Dylan, yeah.

Nicole (: 32:44

⁓ like, Zach isn't.

Ashley (: 32:47

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 32:51

Not very creative parents.

Monica (: 32:54

The guy who feels unforgettable.

Nicole (: 33:01

I'm gonna look him up.

Ashley (: 33:05

I've heard that's really good. I've heard that from

other people.

Kelsie (: 33:08

It's very good. But he I was listening to a podcast on the file files yesterday with him. And he was saying like, growing up, he's like four years younger than Zach and getting to like see Hollywood but not really be like famous is so eye opening. And he's like, Yeah. And he's like, I realized at a young age that I didn't want to be famous because like I could see like I got to see it from an

Monica (: 33:22

in it.

Nicole (: 33:24

He is gorgeous. He's a babe.

Monica (: 33:26

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 33:38

We were in it, but I wasn't in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But he's, yeah.

Nicole (: 33:38

Yeah, he was like in it but removed. Yeah,

Ashley (: 33:41

interesting.

Monica (: 33:43

Well, that must have been a

very interesting viewpoint too, just because his brother was so famous and like just the Hollywood heartthrob with High School Musical and stuff.

Nicole (: 33:46

life.

Ashley (: 33:50

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 33:53

and he's remained that famous through all of it. And he said

Ashley (: 33:56

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 33:57

he got to work on, he was a PA, he got to work on A Star is Born when he got out of college and ⁓ another big movie, Chips with Deck Shepard, yeah. So was like he's had a lot of exposure to it.

Nicole (: 34:07

that's funny. That's a good movie.

Monica (: 34:12

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 34:13

Yeah.

See, I don't, guess, I guess when you're an adult, I don't have a lot of like, grife with Hollywood. If you're an adult making that decision, you want to be in that situation, fine. My problem is with like the child actors. It's as an adult. That's what I mean. Like, yeah, get famous when you're an adult. It's, yeah, me too. I just, listen, I...

Monica (: 34:24

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 34:27

I think it's better when you get famous as an adult, like a later adult, yeah.

Ashley (: 34:27

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 34:31

Yeah.

Ashley (: 34:33

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 34:35

Okay, I'll take my fame now, please. I turned 31 on Wednesday and I'm prepared.

Ashley (: 34:37

Yeah.

Monica (: 34:39

Bye!

Nicole (: 34:41

I just turned 32. I think I'm ready. I'm ready for my big moment. Let's go. Okay. need to unlock this other half of my life. No, we're ready to be a famous podcast. Start them. We're good. Right? Straight to straight to maybe not to Hollywood. Maybe to Dollywood, not Hollywood. I like Dolly Parton better than fucking anybody else. So maybe Dollywood, not Hollywood, but you know. okay.

Ashley (: 34:41

you

Monica (: 34:46

ready to not be a mediocre podcast.

Kelsie (: 34:49

We're ready

to take this podcast to stardom right to Hollywood. Give us a talk show.

Monica (: 34:56

Ha!

my gosh.

Kelsie (: 35:05

this on the Kelly Clarkson show, please.

Monica (: 35:07

Yes! ⁓

Ashley (: 35:10

Wait, Kelly Clarkson has a show?

Kelsie (: 35:11

Yeah, it's very fun.

Nicole (: 35:12

Yes, she does Can

Monica (: 35:15

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Nicole (: 35:16

we go on that show is the same as long as Yeah, it's like a daytime talk show as long as we go on the same time that if we can go on That show at the same time that Ariana Grande is also on that show then I will be there. I love her She's on that show a lot. That's why I run it up And you guys you guys know as my friends that I'm obsessed with her

Ashley (: 35:16

Is that what it's called, the Kelly Clarkson Show?

That's news to me.

Okay, we'll get that scheduled.

Monica (: 35:39

Yeah, yeah, well.

Kelsie (: 35:39

Yeah, Kelly Clarkson,

Nicole (: 35:42

Huck it up. Yep. So just call us. It's fine. Find us on Instagram.

Kelsie (: 35:42

let's you have your people call our people. Our people is just us. Yeah.

Ashley (: 35:44

Yeah.

Monica (: 35:48

Find us on Instagram.

Kelsie (: 35:50

Yeah,

I had a little bit bothered. Hit us up. We check our own messages.

Nicole (: 35:56

will answer will reply. Just for that. ⁓ gosh, that's funny. ⁓ But yeah, no, the child, it's the child actors that like stress me out. And like with the Aaron Carter thing. He's been so famous since he was young, because his brother was famous. And then he got into the into music, too. I remember being a

Ashley (: 35:56

We're the podcast with 150 followers.

Kelsie (: 35:58

I'll re-download

Instagram. ⁓

Ashley (: 36:02

If Kelly Clarkson reaches out to us, it'll be worth it.

Kelsie (: 36:05

Yeah.

Monica (: 36:07

We're ready for the invite. Thank you. ⁓

Ashley (: 36:14

Yeah.

but very young.

Nicole (: 36:22

big fan of Nick because of Backstreet Boys and then when I found out that Aaron Carter was his brother, immediately I think everybody that was a fan of Backstreet Boys also became a fan of Aaron Carter. So it was like he already had this built. Yes, he had this like built in fan base when he started kind of and he was young when he started the hit that freaking song with his remake of candy was my favorite fucking remake ever of that song. He was so cute. I can literally see like the music video. I loved it so much.

Monica (: 36:30

yeah. Well, especially that when he dated Hilary Duff.

Ashley (: 36:32

For sure.

Yeah. Yeah.

Monica (: 36:36

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 36:44

He was so young, Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 36:50

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 36:52

But it's like how much of that exposure when he was so young caused what happened later on in his life. Probably all of it. ⁓

Ashley (: 37:02

⁓ all of it, yeah.

Kelsie (: 37:03

Also, it's like,

I feel like there needs to be a psychological study. Like what makes it, like what's the difference between, how come some people make it out okay? Like Hillary Duff seemingly is very like.

Nicole (: 37:07

Yeah.

And they're fine.

normal.

Kelsie (: 37:18

⁓ yeah, I wasn't gonna use Stormwell. don't know. Even like, adjusted, well adjusted, that was what I was looking for.

Nicole (: 37:22

Well adjusted, I don't know. Yeah

Monica (: 37:22

I think, yeah, she's, part of

it is what is the protective factors that they have in their life? Like what is the support?

Nicole (: 37:29

Yeah, the support system they have. Yeah.

Ashley (: 37:30

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 37:30

But a lot

of them had the same experiences. is it just family life solely, like the protection of their family? Because...

Nicole (: 37:37

Could be.

Monica (: 37:38

Yeah, like

Ashley (: 37:39

Yeah.

Monica (: 37:40

if they have protective factors from their family who is like helping them feel more normalized and feel like, like if their family treats them in a way where they are this like grandiose person and that they get to remain a celebrity in the home, then like there is no separation of it. And then if there's also no bound

Nicole (: 37:59

Uh-uh. ⁓

Kelsie (: 38:00

You think it's

so it's just more like they're still treated like a child at home. And this and like it's just a job at the end of the day.

Monica (: 38:05

Yeah, well, like, I think, yes,

Nicole (: 38:07

Yeah,

this is a job, yes.

Monica (: 38:08

exactly. Like if it's treated like a job and there's this like separation in these boundaries and these protective factors, allowing them to not boast to certain things, I think that that would probably make a huge difference. But if...

Kelsie (: 38:20

one of

Nicole (: 38:20

Mm.

Kelsie (: 38:20

the Sprouse

twins did a really good interview. I think it was on Call Her Daddy, maybe. And he kind of talks about like, I don't know, like the dynamic of like treating it like a job or like, kind of all about, you know, the exploit. I don't know. It's really good to listen to because it gives you, I think, a really like insight on like how it could go wrong or

Monica (: 38:25

⁓

Nicole (: 38:27

I'm gonna have to listen to that.

.

Monica (: 38:41

Yeah, they're exploited. Absolutely.

Ashley (: 38:49

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 38:49

Hmm.

Monica (: 38:49

Well,

the other thing too is there's a lot of like child actors who've like shared their stories in more recent years where you get to hear more of like the behind the scenes of like, what did it take for them to get there? Where their families and their parents had to sacrifice everything or be split up as a family in order to make it happen. And I can't imagine that in most cases that that's gonna like, yeah, be a long, a good long-term outcome. I mean, not to say that you can't, but like,

Kelsie (: 39:03

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 39:03

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 39:06

Yeah.

be good for anybody.

Monica (: 39:18

If the family is completely split and the entire family, like decisions are revolving around one child's, you know, career and whether or not they're famous and how they're being portrayed and there's all this attention on them, it's going to impact everybody in the entire family system.

Nicole (: 39:26

Mm.

Kelsie (: 39:34

I think

Taylor Lautner, I've heard him tell his story and it's kind of like, I can't remember exactly, but I think that they did, even when they did things for him, they did their best to keep their family together wherever they were. I think stuff like that does make a difference.

Monica (: 39:50

Well, I

mean, even like Taylor Swift has talked about it in like some interviews and stuff where she intentionally tries to like cook her own meals and do things like that to remain like to keep that feeling of I'm a normal human being, I'm a normal person, this is just a job. And like, I mean, she's in a very specific category. She what? Yeah.

Nicole (: 40:07

She was technically a child star though too, right? Because she was 16

Kelsie (: 40:10

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 40:11

when she started. So she's child star category, right? I guess, yeah.

Monica (: 40:13

Yeah, absolutely. And so I

think part of it is that from what she's talked about anyways, is her parents tried to maintain that is that like, you're still a child, like this is just a job and like, we're gonna separate that. And I think if there is no separation, and it becomes like your entire personality, like, how does that not impact you? Right? Like, and I think that would be true for any job is if if you don't separate that, and it becomes entirely you, except for now, your entire job is like,

Nicole (: 40:22

Still a teenager.

Yeah.

Monica (: 40:41

you are the brand and that never turns off mentally that's gonna completely

Nicole (: 40:43

Mm-hmm.

Ugh.

Kelsie (: 40:47

I bet to some degree it plays on the parents, like

Ashley (: 40:47

That's exhausting.

Nicole (: 40:48

Yeah. Yes.

Monica (: 40:50

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 40:50

their crave for their own fame, like kind of like ⁓ pushing that onto their kids. And so then it's like, it become unhealthy because they're so invested in the fame that they have to live vicariously through? And it's like...

Nicole (: 40:53

Mm.

Ashley (: 40:57

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 40:57

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 41:04

Yeah.

Ashley (: 41:06

Well, and then

they put them in more precarious situations or less protective or more willing to do more things.

Monica (: 41:06

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 41:09

situations.

Monica (: 41:11

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 41:12

But I think it was the Drake documentary where

⁓ they were kind of like some of the parents were kind of tricked or like manipulated into situations that they probably wouldn't normally agree. Yeah. His dad was pushed out of the situation entirely. Yeah.

Ashley (: 41:21

Yeah.

Nicole (: 41:21

Yes His own parents Drake's own parents his his parents were separated so his dad was completely

pushed out of the set the situation because The guy that was abusing him Brian he Manipulated Drake's mother into saying that you know ⁓

Ashley (: 41:31

Yeah.

Nicole (: 41:41

his dad was gonna hold Drake behind and like all these things. And so he constantly was manipulating Drake and his mom against the dad. And eventually the dad was not allowed to see Drake anymore. And that's when the actual you started happening, because he he was able to get the one parent, the one person that had suspicious Yeah, out of the whole picture. And then limit. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 41:44

Yeah.

Ashley (: 41:55

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 41:59

That was seen through it, yeah.

There was another kid in that

one though that where the mom actually did ⁓ she didn't she wasn't putting up with it and they pushed him out of the show.

Nicole (: 42:10

Yeah, they pushed the whole kid out of the show. Yep,

they just said, well, which is in freaking sane. Like you, she did do the right thing for her child. Thank God. No, and I hope her, I hope her kid sees it cause he was probably upset at the time. But I, know, I think now they are glad that they made the choices they made, that's sad. The kid wanted to be an actor. The kid wanted to be a comedian and you're not going to allow them to be a comedian and have a career.

Ashley (: 42:15

Well, she did the right thing. mean, I hope now she sees that, you know, even though that probably cost them a lot.

Kelsie (: 42:18

Yeah, she did. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 42:27

yeah.

Yeah, it's very sad.

Nicole (: 42:41

because you can't exploit that child the way you want to, that's disgusting. Like you're a sick human being. There just needs to be more protective measures, I think, for young actors. Because obviously, movies and shows that are geared towards kids or whatever, they need child actors. get it, there's a demand for child actors, but there should be more protections and laws.

Ashley (: 42:43

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 42:50

Yeah.

It's crazy that they can't like that those can't be Mario.

The problem

is that there's always corruption and there's always people willing to work around.

Nicole (: 43:10

Always, yeah.

I can't imagine. If my kids were ever, I agree. Yeah, hopefully now people will watch. And parents are being more, I think now parents are being a little bit more vigilant as well as to.

Ashley (: 43:14

Hopefully now that more stuff is coming to the light.

Kelsie (: 43:18

People are watching their P's and Q's more, yeah.

Ashley (: 43:21

Yeah, hopefully the next generation won't go through the same thing.

Kelsie (: 43:28

I also think

Ashley (: 43:29

I think so

too.

Kelsie (: 43:29

just as a as a whole, maybe this is naive to say, but I think even as younger kids were being taught more to like, recognize when something's not okay and to be more like, because like, I don't feel and I'm not shitting on my parents. just literally just don't think it's something that ever crossed the mind. Like I don't feel like I would have been bold enough to say no to certain things. And it's just because like, I feel like you don't

Nicole (: 43:34

Thank

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 43:55

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 43:58

realize that you can or like you're just not taught like you just do I don't think it's on purpose but it's just not something that you thought I need to teach my kid that like they could be it's okay to be mean or say no

Monica (: 44:01

Yeah.

Well, it wasn't talked about.

Yeah, well, like, it just wasn't,

yeah, it just wasn't talked about as we were growing up as something that really happened. And so we were put into that position. It very much probably felt like you were this like an anomaly that, you know, nobody else has experienced this or like, I have to keep my mouth shut. You know what I mean? But it's become talked about more that I think is like,

Ashley (: 44:17

Mm-mm.

Monica (: 44:34

people who have been victimized have shared it and shared the stories. And so you start to realize, it really does happen more commonly and it's the people that you at least expect. And it's interesting because we actually even experienced that this week as we were camping because one of my kids wanted to have a sleepover in one of the other cabins, which they're fine. The family is fine, but it's just a rule in our house. We don't do sleepovers for this reason.

Kelsie (: 44:42

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 44:57

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 44:57

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 44:59

And now

we're kind of moving into this age range with our kids where we have to have more of these conversations more frequently and give them those words of speaking up of like, if it feels off, then it's off. And you have every right to speak up, you have every right to tell mom. But those were not conversations I think that were frequently happening when we were growing up. It's hard though as a parent because I'm sitting there.

Nicole (: 45:11

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 45:11

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, even just as simple as you don't have to.

Nicole (: 45:19

I had them.

Kelsie (: 45:20

Yeah.

Well, I think that we had them. I'm not saying we didn't, but I'm saying we almost take it to the next level now where it's like, if somebody puts you in a bad situation, you are allowed to be rude. You are allowed to get yourself out. we've taken it. Yes. Yes. We've taken it to another level, I think. whereas like, we were taught like a no, no touch, but like.

Nicole (: 45:25

I definitely did.

Monica (: 45:26

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes, absolutely. You're allowed to be loud about it.

Nicole (: 45:34

⁓ I was taught that. I definitely was. I think though I was raised by a single mom. No, but

Monica (: 45:40

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Nicole (: 45:46

I think I was raised by a single mom. like, and then when I was younger, we moved to Arizona and we weren't from there. So we didn't have like really anybody. So it was like everybody was a stranger, you know? So.

Monica (: 45:58

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 45:58

That was something that my mom, like I remember being drilled into my head. You don't know these people. Like we don't know these people here, okay? If it's not me or it's not your aunt, and that was only person we had in Arizona, then it's not okay. And you need to be, and my mom always taught me like, don't scream help. You scream fire. People will come for a fire. People won't come for help. People hear help and they'll look the other way. You scream fire.

Monica (: 46:04

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yes.

Ashley (: 46:18

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 46:20

This reminds me, this conversation

is circling back because I had a realization about our conversation in the last episode. We were talking about kidnapping and human trafficking and stuff. There was a situation to this day, my grandma and my mom maintain this story, but I was at the playground with my grandma and I swear, I don't think that, however, I couldn't have been five maybe.

Monica (: 46:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 46:31

the, yeah.

Kelsie (: 46:48

I don't think that I could concoct some crazy story in my head for like, my memory of this from this day is that I was trying to climb up on this like platform that was a little higher and this guy grabbed me and I swear to God he was trying to pull me off. Like he was not being helpful. It was, it felt very resistant. Like I thought I was being kidnapped. I got on, it was fine. I did not get kidnapped. But like, I don't know if I didn't mention it like, or I don't remember what happened after that.

Nicole (: 47:06

Okay.

Kelsie (: 47:16

gone the rest of the day the playground is gone. just remember that but I've talked to my mom about it since then and she was like I must have brought it up because she's like your grandma just swears that he was trying to help you. was like no like why would I remember it so like adamantly that he was pulling on me and maybe from maybe from a distance and because like he just just casual about it and I didn't like I don't remember panicking like I don't remember like crying about it. Maybe I did. I don't know.

Nicole (: 47:32

Different, yeah. Not pushing me up.

Ashley (: 47:34

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 47:43

Right.

Kelsie (: 47:46

but like maybe it just didn't seem like that big of a deal. But just the memory of it is him like pulling, trying to pull me off of this platform when I'm trying to climb on it. And it's just, I don't know, it's just weird. That just made me think of that, yeah.

Nicole (: 47:50

Right.

That's crazy.

That's crazy. That is really scary. You didn't, so you're fine. Yeah, that is a scary memory.

Monica (: 48:01

That is scary though.

Kelsie (: 48:03

Well, I did get kidnapped, so it's fine. It is. But it's just so

Monica (: 48:06

Yeah, but it's still a scary memory and like obviously it impacted you.

Ashley (: 48:08

you

Kelsie (: 48:09

weird how it's like completely different from like the perspective that my grandma saw. Yeah.

Monica (: 48:15

yeah.

Nicole (: 48:16

I just

think it's so funny too. was thinking about, think, was it last episode that we talked about how men just are not in fear for their lives as like women are? And like, I was thinking about it the other day. I don't know. ⁓ This correlates to this of how like I was taught at a very young age to just be very aware of my surroundings all the time. Like, and my mom is...

Kelsie (: 48:23

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 48:23

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 48:24

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 48:43

very open about like her own life before she was a mother. And so she would tell, know, told me things that she had been through in her life so that I was aware of things and to watch out for things and to know when like you get that weird feeling in your stomach that you need to trust that feeling in your stomach. You need to remove yourself from the situation or whatever. But like, so the Pope died, right? On Monday, Easter Monday and

Kelsie (: 49:06

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 49:08

I started thinking about that. Well, we won't get too far into it, because I get a little bit of conspiracy theorist when it comes to the Pope, because I was raised Catholic, and I don't have any problems with religion. I am like a spiritual, you know, I believe in God, whatever, but I have ⁓ problems with the Catholic Church specifically. And part of it stems from, I was realizing, part of it stems from that same notion. I was told when I was younger, my mom doesn't believe this anymore, but when I was younger,

and making my communion and doing all the sacraments that you have to do in the Catholic Church when you're young. ⁓

to be wary of the priest, right? Because Catholic priests have a certain reputation. And so I always thought that like weird in this, like, I remember when I was younger, I was asking kind of what is the purpose of the priest? why, you know, because I was a child and I was curious and whatever I wanted to know why I have to go into this box with this man and confess my sins when I'm eight years old, what is, why? And I was told like,

Ashley (: 49:49

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 50:07

you

Nicole (: 50:11

these men are basically chosen to recite the word of God. They are basically your one-way hotline.

to Jesus, you tell them your sins and they communicate with the Lord and then you're fine. That was always weird to me because in the same breath that I was being told this person was chosen to be the voice of Jesus or however you want to phrase it, in the same breath I was told he's still a strange man. If anything feels weird, you need to say something about it. So I always like,

Ashley (: 50:27

Mm-hmm

Nicole (: 50:47

I remember being told this from such a young age. No, but I also just remember being told this at such a young age because I was gonna be in close proximity to a male, you know what I mean? And so from young age, I remember being told that. And I don't think it's told enough to people because I think if more people really had that same thing drilled into them, like it doesn't matter if they're your priest, your teacher, your.

Kelsie (: 50:48

That's a very, that's a not a good line to blur. ⁓

Monica (: 50:53

Mm.

Ashley (: 51:01

Mm-hmm.

Someone in a position of authority.

Monica (: 51:17

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 51:17

It doesn't matter, whoever. If you think you can

Monica (: 51:20

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 51:21

trust

someone and they do something that's not right, it doesn't matter. You need to tell somebody, even if they say like, it's okay, because I'm this and this.

Monica (: 51:26

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 51:29

I like that's what I was kind of, yeah. I feel like that's what I'm saying though, is that we now, think as a society, are putting that into our kids more than ever when we probably didn't really get that. just cause we, I don't know. I'm from the Midwest, so maybe it just stems from like a lot of trust with just, you know, small town communities.

Monica (: 51:30

Yeah, nobody is above above them.

Nicole (: 51:32

Yeah.

Now, yes. Yes. Yeah.

Monica (: 51:39

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 51:46

Maybe.

Ashley (: 51:48

I didn't get it either, no.

Monica (: 51:48

Yeah.

Nicole (: 51:49

your community and yeah,

yeah, could be because my parent, my mom is from, my mom's from New York. We don't trust nobody. So.

Monica (: 51:51

Yeah, definitely a small town.

Kelsie (: 51:56

That's, I feel like maybe that's why you got it, because you're from New York.

Monica (: 52:00

Yeah.

Nicole (: 52:00

Literally,

Ashley (: 52:00

Yeah.

Nicole (: 52:01

like, I was just told to trust nobody.

Monica (: 52:02

But for real, because same thing, mean, being, yeah, no, being in a small town, you kind of just trust everybody in a way. Like there were always like some people that like, think collectively as his kids like knew like, yeah, they're kind of scourge, like we're not gonna, but like for the most part, yeah, absolutely.

Nicole (: 52:10

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, stay away from them. Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 52:16

But to some degree, those were stereotypes though. they were

only like, I remember my parents like warning me about certain people, but those just came from like stereotypes of their bad reputation. Not true. Like it's like, you should worry about your freaking great neighbor that you've known your whole life just as much as the person who has a bad reputation. Yeah.

Nicole (: 52:28

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 52:28

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Monica (: 52:34

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 52:38

That's what I mean, you should worry about the priest as much

Ashley (: 52:38

Yeah.

Monica (: 52:39

Well, and

Nicole (: 52:39

as you do the convict because you never know. You never know.

Monica (: 52:41

Right. Well, and my sister and I, like, because

we got into a lot of conversation about this ⁓ since like the sleepover thing had come up and whatever. And I think for me, like part of it is that I need to know that my kids are at a place maturity wise that they can recognize what's not appropriate. They can recognize when a boundary is being crossed and that they feel comfortable to speak up. And until then, like, I can't just assume that these places are fine if

Nicole (: 52:57

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 52:59

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 53:02

Mm.

are safe

and fine, yeah. The capacity to tell you.

Monica (: 53:10

if I don't feel like they have the language and like the maturity to understand like,

nope, that's my line. And we're not crossing it.

Nicole (: 53:16

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 53:17

I think that something

Nicole (: 53:17

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 53:18

I've learned is that something that I want my kids to like be really instilled in is just like, not just in like a sexual nature, but just like in any nature. Like you're allowed to say no, like it's okay to stand up for yourself and just like, I just want them to have a fucking backbone. I don't want them to be mean. I don't want them to be like rude or judgy. I just want them to know that.

Monica (: 53:28

In any nature. Yeah.

Nicole (: 53:38

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 53:38

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 53:39

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 53:44

stand up for themselves.

Kelsie (: 53:45

I just want them to feel like they can in the moment where they're facing something. Yeah,

Nicole (: 53:47

Yeah.

Monica (: 53:48

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that they're allowed to.

Ashley (: 53:48

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 53:51

something that's been going on with my kids right now is like, I'm trying to tell them, teach them that no is a complete sentence. Even with each other, you know what I mean? Like they'll be, my older one will be trying to get my younger one to do something and she'll be like, no. And I'm like, well, you have to respect the fact that she says no. When somebody says no, it's no. I get, she's your little sister. You want her to play with you. But if she's telling you no, then that means no.

Monica (: 53:58

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 54:08

Mm-hmm.

And I guess to expand on that is

like, you have to also teach them that you have learned that no means no, but there will be people in the world that will not respect your no, and you are allowed to get out of that situation or remove them from this. Whatever, it depends what power you have, but like, you know.

Monica (: 54:24

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 54:28

Get out of

Yeah.

Monica (: 54:33

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 54:34

But you need to know that no means no and you need to stand on it. You don't.

Kelsie (: 54:35

you're you don't have to if you say

no and they keep dis like they keep going on with whatever you just said no you don't have to put like that's not you don't have to back down and like i well i tried you know

Nicole (: 54:43

Yeah.

Monica (: 54:45

Yes.

Nicole (: 54:46

Yeah, no, yeah, no, no,

Monica (: 54:48

Right.

Ashley (: 54:48

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 54:49

you keep going. You don't stop. Exactly.

Monica (: 54:49

Well, boundaries are not meant to make other people happy. but the, the followup of that. Yeah. But the followup of that is that when we say no and somebody is upset about it, we have to be comfortable or learn to be okay with that discomfort. Cause it does suck when like they push it you're like, okay.

Kelsie (: 54:52

Yeah, yeah. Or you shouldn't be scared of the consequences of saying no either.

Nicole (: 54:56

Right.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 55:05

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 55:07

Well,

Ashley (: 55:09

Yeah.

Kelsie (: 55:09

and

yeah, I just think that, you know, there's obviously a thousand ways you can go, but usually if you're not, if you're afraid that they're not respecting your note, it's usually because you're afraid of like the consequences of what could come from that. So it's just like, that's hard thing to teach. Yeah.

Monica (: 55:19

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 55:19

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 55:22

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 55:22

Mm.

Monica (: 55:25

It is so hard and like another so important

Ashley (: 55:25

It's important though.

Nicole (: 55:25

It is. It is.

Monica (: 55:28

and another like layer to that is like we've entered the phase now of like talking back is a thing and it drives me crazy but I'm also trying well no no no no we're we're entering it in like a new level like it is it is something else lately and like the things that my kids are saying I'm just like where the hell did that come from?

Nicole (: 55:34

Hmm.

You're just now entering that phase. Mine have been doing that since they came out of the womb. No, I'm just kidding.

Kelsie (: 55:43

A serious way. ⁓

Nicole (: 55:48

you

you

Monica (: 55:53

But I'm trying to remember that like, that's still a skill that they have to learn is like, they should be able like this voice that we're talking about of like being able to tell people no and like, call out what they disagree with. Like, that doesn't just show up, right? Like that, that's learned through being able to respond and like speak, speak to adults, right? And so I'm like, really, really trying to remember that I'm like, okay, wait, this is an opportunity for them to try that again, because we can still do it in respectful way.

Nicole (: 55:57

Mm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, I was gonna say there's a line where talking back is like authoritative and you can respect their boundary that they're putting. But also, are you talking back back to put a boundary you're talking back to just be disrespectful, you know what mean? So like there's a there's a difference between how it is received, I guess.

Monica (: 56:22

but we're allowed to have our opinions, right? It's so freaking hard though.

Ashley (: 56:28

Mm-hmm.

Monica (: 56:30

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Right. Well, mm-hmm. Well, and

like, I want us to be like the safe place for them to try that out and to get it wrong, right? But also, the way it triggers you as a parrot and you're just like, mm-hmm. It's so fricking hard.

Nicole (: 56:47

Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley (: 56:48

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 56:50

Your patience can't handle it.

Ashley (: 56:55

Yeah. Uh-huh.

Nicole (: 57:01

The way it transports me back to when I used to brawl in the streets. No, I'm just kidding. I'm No, guys, I really am kidding. Stop. I am kidding.

Monica (: 57:06

You're not kidding. ⁓

Kelsie (: 57:11

She's not.

Nicole (: 57:13

Okay, anyway, we're gonna move on. So before we keep going in Spyroling, next. Next.

Monica (: 57:15

Yeah, well for something yeah for something more lighthearted let me let me just

Kelsie (: 57:15

Yeah

Monica (: 57:20

share something with you guys that apparently is legit because when you have too much money I guess this is what you do

Nicole (: 57:22

Monica's.

Monica (: 57:30

Do you see these shoes? Those are duck feet. Yeah. I'm curious.

Nicole (: 57:32

Are those duck feet?

Ashley (: 57:33

Those look like a duck.

Nicole (: 57:37

Wait.

Ashley (: 57:39

They

look like they're made out of jello. Hold on.

Kelsie (: 57:40

This

was the one you were trying to screenshot where it's, I'm just an ordinary girl with fucking duck feet on my-

Monica (: 57:44

Ha

Nicole (: 57:47

Duck feet!

Ashley (: 57:47

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Nicole (: 57:47

Ordinary! Excuse me!

Monica (: 57:51

So I'm

curious, I'm curious, how much do you think that these shoes would go for?

Ashley (: 57:55

Holy shit.

No, is that a real question? I'm scared.

Nicole (: 57:57

⁓ man, they're probably in. Okay, so for our

listener. Okay, hold on for our listeners. There's a picture of a woman in like what seems to be a black suit and she's wearing shoes that actually look like duck feet. They're like, yeah, like a burgundy. Okay. Okay, okay. Well, I'm trying to think like Kanye sneakers.

Monica (: 57:59

That is a real question. No, I already have the answer. I already have the answer. Take a guess. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 57:59

Are you gonna Google it? Do you know the answer? ⁓

Monica (: 58:12

They should be in DuckTales.

Kelsie (: 58:13

They're like burgundy, so I guess like that's a rich color.

Monica (: 58:18

But there's lots of options, trust me, I went and looked.

Ashley (: 58:18

Wow, they're so weird. Are they heels?

What are they?

Kelsie (: 58:21

Okay,

we will post this on our Instagram.

Nicole (: 58:24

Yeah, like Kanye's sneakers that he has are like an outrageous amount of money. I'm going to assume that this is very similar. I'm going to go with, hmm, Duck Feet. What designer made these? I'm going to say $3 million. Oh, OK. OK, all right.

Ashley (: 58:28

Yeah.

Monica (: 58:36

Zamika, I guess. I don't know.

Ashley (: 58:37

They always

do the weirdest fucking shit.

Monica (: 58:40

Yeah.

Ashley (: 58:44

Oh my god, what? I was gonna say 6,000. I was gonna say 6,000.

Monica (: 58:44

No, not that much. ⁓

Kelsie (: 58:47

was gonna say 3000.

Monica (: 58:51

Okay, okay, well you guys are way overshooting, but these are still way more money than they should be with ever. There were more in the hundreds.

Nicole (: 58:52

Let's go 8,000.

Okay, okay. ⁓

Kelsie (: 58:57

⁓

600.

Ashley (: 58:59

Stop,

said $3 million. Hold on.

Nicole (: 59:04

I did

because you never know with these people. You never know. You never know.

Monica (: 59:07

It's true. That is fair. That is fair. That is fair. I

Ashley (: 59:08

This is too much.

Monica (: 59:12

will say these are not like these are not like the outrageous crazy crazy. But to pay this amount of money to walk around looking like you're waddling like a duck, like better go ask got any grapes because that's what you look like.

Ashley (: 59:16

⁓ my god.

Nicole (: 59:16

Okay, rein it in.

Ashley (: 59:22

Thank

Nicole (: 59:27

Got any grapes? my god, that's such a

Ashley (: 59:28

You couldn't pay me to wear those.

Nicole (: 59:30

niche fucking thing. Monica!

Kelsie (: 59:32

Okay,

what's the price? What's the price?

got any grapes.

Nicole (: 59:40

It's so weird.

Kelsie (: 59:45

Wada Wada Wada.

Monica (: 59:49

And he waddled away, waddle out.

Nicole (: 59:54

We got any grapes? can't. We're just a girl. We're just girls. We're just girls. Okay. 900. 900. I take my three million back. 900.

Kelsie (: 59:55

We're just millennials.

Ashley (: 59:57

Hahahaha

Kelsie (: 1:00:00

We're just a bunch of girl millennials.

Monica (: 1:00:02

Okay, so they're not like outrageous outrageous, but still like who in the hell is paying?

Ashley (: 1:00:10

No.

Monica (: 1:00:11

No, it's 483 US dollars for shoes to look like a duck Like not not outrageous not not like the most expensive shoes out there, but who is spending over $400 to look like a duck?

Nicole (: 1:00:13

Okay, still stupid. No.

Ashley (: 1:00:17

They're so ugly.

Nicole (: 1:00:19

No, that is outrageous.

And

you know, and you, yeah, you couldn't make me wear those. You know they're not comfortable. No, you, they would be staying on the rack. You know those are not comfortable. Why are you, you would be literally, I just.

Kelsie (: 1:00:25

wouldn't buy those if they were free.

Monica (: 1:00:27

You

Ashley (: 1:00:27

I wouldn't either. I wouldn't pick those up at Goodwill.

Monica (: 1:00:36

No, not a chance.

Ashley (: 1:00:37

They're so weird! Why would you wear them? I don't get it. I don't

Kelsie (: 1:00:40

You'd have to

pay me three million dollars to wear those.

Ashley (: 1:00:41

understand.

Monica (: 1:00:42

You could probably walk on water

Nicole (: 1:00:43

There you go, to wear those.

Monica (: 1:00:44

with those shoes or at least go walking through the snow.

Ashley (: 1:00:45

3 million I'm

Kelsie (: 1:00:49

Those are swimsuit shoes for sure. just, she came

Ashley (: 1:00:52

Yeah, they do.

Nicole (: 1:00:52

Schwim shoes! Schwim, schwim, schwim!

Ashley (: 1:00:54

Swim

Kelsie (: 1:00:54

from

the

Ashley (: 1:00:55

schmooze.

Kelsie (: 1:00:55

pool, put on her suit and didn't have any other shoes. So she just like.

Ashley (: 1:00:58

Yeah, it's very from

Nicole (: 1:00:58

Yeah, they're literally

Ashley (: 1:00:59

the

Nicole (: 1:00:59

like a flipper

Ashley (: 1:00:59

lake to the black tie affair.

Monica (: 1:01:03

Right. It's the fancy duck.

Nicole (: 1:01:03

Yeah, that's wild.

The fancy duck with her burgundy feet. Waddle waddle. Cut any grapes? my gosh. I actually just played that for my kids not that long ago.

Ashley (: 1:01:07

It's a fancy duck. It's a fancy duck with slacks.

Monica (: 1:01:11

Right? one.

Okay, so speaking of trends though,

my kids love that song, so that's why it's still very fresh in my head. They don't, they don't die, that one does not die. Speaking of trends though, so I went shopping a couple weeks ago and Bermuda shorts and capris are back.

Nicole (: 1:01:23

Okay, that's so funny. No, literally.

Kelsie (: 1:01:24

Some things never die in your brain. That's one of them.

Ashley (: 1:01:25

Mmm. ⁓

Nicole (: 1:01:30

you

Kelsie (: 1:01:36

I've been seeing those are coming back. I

Ashley (: 1:01:36

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 1:01:36

They're back, baby. They're

Kelsie (: 1:01:38

can do

Nicole (: 1:01:38

back, baby.

Kelsie (: 1:01:38

capris but I can not with the Bermuda shorts. I can't. I don't like Bermuda shorts.

Ashley (: 1:01:39

Jelly shoes. Did you see jelly shoes? I saw jelly shoes.

Monica (: 1:01:41

Okay, I've always worn jelly

Nicole (: 1:01:42

You know what?

Monica (: 1:01:44

shoes. I love jelly shoes. However, scams came out with some that look like they are just waiting for your feet to stink and fart when you walk. Like they are so bad.

Nicole (: 1:01:44

Yeah, I think I'm actually

Ew? Ew. Ew. Ew. ⁓

Ashley (: 1:01:50

I saw those and they're weird. Yeah.

You don't want that.

Kelsie (: 1:01:57

Bermuda

shorts have always been a problem because I'm tall so it's like they're never as long as they're supposed to be but also they somehow just make me look tall. It's a very weird like just fucking yeah, I just

Ashley (: 1:02:01

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 1:02:01

Yeah, well.

Monica (: 1:02:03

Mm-hmm. ⁓

Ashley (: 1:02:07

they're very unflattering. They're not flattering.

Nicole (: 1:02:10

I was gonna

Monica (: 1:02:10

They are,

they're very, they're very unfiltering.

Nicole (: 1:02:10

say, I feel like I'm finally at the age where Bermuda shorts make sense.

Monica (: 1:02:17

Listen, I don't mind having shorts that are little longer. Yeah, I don't, I don't mind.

Ashley (: 1:02:17

Cause your butt's not hanging out and you can do stuff and.

Kelsie (: 1:02:19

little longer but like I don't need

them down to my like halfway down my thigh I almost said shin that would be a Capri

Ashley (: 1:02:27

I think they're good for like,

Monica (: 1:02:28

Yeah.

Nicole (: 1:02:28

Ha!

Ashley (: 1:02:29

if you're golfing, but like to wear on a regular day? No. No.

Kelsie (: 1:02:31

Yeah

Nicole (: 1:02:31

Yeah,

I don't know.

Monica (: 1:02:33

Pretty much, yeah.

Nicole (: 1:02:36

cool with Capris. I love a Capri. I'm happy with Capris. Even though I'm short.

Kelsie (: 1:02:37

I like capris. Yeah, they're fine.

Monica (: 1:02:38

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I'm on the fits.

Ashley (: 1:02:40

I'm on the fence.

Monica (: 1:02:42

I think it depends on the length of the capri though too because the ones just under the knee, I don't know.

Nicole (: 1:02:44

Yeah. Some Capris

Ashley (: 1:02:48

It's ugly. Yeah.

My calf needs to be like covered. Yeah.

Nicole (: 1:02:50

just look like short pants on me.

Kelsie (: 1:02:50

I think it depends, I think it depends who they're on, honestly.

Monica (: 1:02:52

That's that's true

too. I def and the thing is like I definitely wore both of these like way back when and these are one of those things that I look back on. I'm like those were not flattering on me like I thought. Those weren't good.

Nicole (: 1:02:58

Mm-hmm.

Ashley (: 1:02:58

Yo yeah, me too.

Kelsie (: 1:02:58

Yeah.

Ashley (: 1:03:04

Mm hmm. I had

some I specifically remember some Bermuda shorts that I cut out of jeans like I had jeans cut them into Bermuda shorts so they were the right length because I am also tall and but then we had this great idea to like splatter paint all over them and you know like I dipped my hands in paint and put like handprints on my butt you know and I was in like I was in high school I think I was a freshman in high school at the time. They must have been so hideous like

Nicole (: 1:03:07

Bye.

Monica (: 1:03:13

Yeah.

Nicole (: 1:03:20

And you ruin them.

funny.

Monica (: 1:03:25

Of course.

Ashley (: 1:03:31

They must have been so ugly, you know, but at the time I was like, these are so cool. And then my parents allowed me to walk around with like these handprints on my ass, you know? I actually had a teacher one time say something. I wore those to school and the teacher was like, are those handprints on your butt? That teacher coincidentally got arrested for having sex with a student. So took you down that rabbit hole real quick.

Nicole (: 1:03:34

but you love them.

Kelsie (: 1:03:35

Listen, this ties in perfectly because

Monica (: 1:03:36

You're like, but I made these. ⁓

Nicole (: 1:03:42

You

Nope.

my god. All circle. All circle.

Monica (: 1:03:59

I'm

Nicole (: 1:04:01

That was the first red flag.

Ashley (: 1:04:02

So

Bermuda shorts aren't as safe as you think they might be, okay?

Kelsie (: 1:04:05

I, ⁓

Monica (: 1:04:09

I think hand prints on your ass aren't as safe as you think they are.

Ashley (: 1:04:12

It's

the Bermuda shorts. I could have been a victim.

Nicole (: 1:04:16

The shorts,

not the handprints.

Kelsie (: 1:04:19

I know they say fashion comes back around, I really wish it would stop. I was on Pink's website last night, like Victoria's Secret Pink, because it was like, everything is buy two get two free. And I was like, that seems like it could be good. know, like I used to fuck with some pink. It's awful, have you? Like, oh my God, just take a minute to go on there one of these days. It's so bad. Oh my God. I'm sorry if you like what you see on pink. We're not in the same.

Ashley (: 1:04:20

You

Monica (: 1:04:22

I do too.

Ashley (: 1:04:23

Hmm.

Monica (: 1:04:39

No.

Kelsie (: 1:04:47

We're just in different generations, it's fine. But there was a pair of shorts with stars on the butt cheeks and I was like, okay, we're going back to butt cheek things. Noted. But that wasn't even the worst, that wasn't the worst. I can live with stuff on the butt cheeks, I guess, but like some of this stuff was just like.

Ashley (: 1:04:49

Ha ha ha.

Nicole (: 1:04:53

Hehehe!

Ashley (: 1:04:53

Oh

man. Bunch of things.

Nicole (: 1:04:55

Yep. It's gonna

Monica (: 1:04:56

yeah, everything

Nicole (: 1:04:57

be

Monica (: 1:04:57

was on our butt cheeks.

Nicole (: 1:04:57

the Miss Me jeans. Miss Me jeans.

you

Monica (: 1:05:06

I'm gonna have to go look later and cringe and then feel really old.

Kelsie (: 1:05:07

I don't know, I'm not a fan.

Ashley (: 1:05:09

That's

really funny.

Nicole (: 1:05:10

I saw somebody call like, my god, yoga pants, flared leggings. And I was like, excuse me. Those are just yoga pants. just what do you layered leggings? What is that? It's just a yoga pants. Shut up. Like, what do you mean flared leggings? Get out of here. Not everything has to be a flare like flared jeans. No, it's ⁓ yoga pants.

Monica (: 1:05:19

yes. Right. Those were the- those are just the original yoga pants.

Kelsie (: 1:05:19

That makes me giggle

Ashley (: 1:05:26

Mm-hmm

Monica (: 1:05:33

I mean, they are flared, but

those were just, those were just yoga pads.

Nicole (: 1:05:35

I know, but they're just leggings. They're just yoga pants.

Ashley (: 1:05:36

Technically.

Nicole (: 1:05:39

Like, shut up. And I lived in them and I would love for those to make a comeback. So I'm not mad about that. I'm over the skinny jean. Like, why do my pants need to be so tight to my legs? I don't like it anymore. I can't cover it.

Ashley (: 1:05:50

I'm over the skinny jeans too. Yeah.

Kelsie (: 1:05:53

It's funny because I resisted skinny

Monica (: 1:05:53

Mm-hmm.

Kelsie (: 1:05:55

jeans for so long because I was like, I already have chicken legs. Why do I want someone thing accentuating that? But then like I got on the skinny Jane train and now I feel like I can't get on the new like the baggy jeans train because like then I'm swimming. I'm like, I do have chicken legs and it's weird to swim in your jeans. Like I just, I just think they look, make me look weird. I don't know.

Nicole (: 1:05:58

Hahaha

Can't get off.

Monica (: 1:06:08

Yeah.

Nicole (: 1:06:09

Yeah.

Ashley (: 1:06:09

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 1:06:13

and you're tall, so your legs are just like,

Monica (: 1:06:14

Yeah, no, I, I, yeah,

no, I'm with you. I feel like if I put on like the bag of jeans because like I'm like curvier and I've got a big old booty, like it ends up making me feel like I'm really wide and like I'm already short as it is too. So I just, I have such a hard time.

Nicole (: 1:06:17

so long.

Ashley (: 1:06:18

I got it.

Nicole (: 1:06:25

Well, we're short, too.

Yeah.

Monica

and I have the same body type where we're short and we have short torsos. So like, I don't want to have a skinny jean, but sometimes that's my only option or like maybe a little bit of a relaxed fit works. But I can't do like the super baggy, I can't do things like the boyfriend jean. Can't really do those because then they just make me frumpy and yeah, like a square.

Monica (: 1:06:38

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. It just makes us look like a box.

Kelsie (: 1:06:52

Well,

there's a pair of jeans that's from American Eagle and it looks so good on so many people where it it hugs their butt, but then it's baggier on the legs. And I'm like, that's like the perfect balance. But I bought that pair of jeans and guess what bitches? It's just baggy. Because I don't have a butt.

Monica (: 1:07:01

Yeah. I might be able to do that.

Nicole (: 1:07:05

and it's not.

Yeah, well, you,

I was gonna say you would have to have a butt to start with.

Monica (: 1:07:11

I'll share.

Kelsie (: 1:07:13

Well, I just thought

maybe it's just a little more fitted and then it like lets out, but no, it's just those people actually have nice hips and butts and I don't.

Nicole (: 1:07:16

No.

Monica (: 1:07:17

Yeah.

Okay, well then

those might be for us, Nicole. They might be for us.

Nicole (: 1:07:24

They might be well, I don't really have I don't

really have hips I'm like very you you are hippie like curvy With short torso. I am NOT though. I am just short torso with boobs. That's all I got I don't have any other curves. I just have boobs And I barely have a butt

Monica (: 1:07:30

I'm very hippie.

I still might be cute on you though. I can see him fitting on you.

Kelsie (: 1:07:41

The problem also is that like

you can't just go to a store and try on because and maybe you experience this as short people but like they only have the regular sizes so you can't get an accurate fit on anything because

Monica (: 1:07:54

Mm-hmm. Well,

Nicole (: 1:07:56

That's

what I was saying with the Capri thing earlier, like I've worn some Capris as regular pants because some Capris fit me as regular pants. So because I'm short, okay, so it's like.

Monica (: 1:07:57

they're always out of like the sizes

Kelsie (: 1:08:01

Yeah.

Monica (: 1:08:05

They fit in all...

Kelsie (: 1:08:08

Well, and it's like the pants

that there's like those, ⁓ it's kind of like popular to like have your pants head at the ankle too. And it's like, if I put those on, they would be capris. They would be up under my knee.

Nicole (: 1:08:15

Yeah.

Monica (: 1:08:15

Mm-hmm.

Nicole (: 1:08:20

And if I put

those on, they will be regular pants. They will just hit my, where they're supposed to be. I used to work for Ann Taylor and they had a lot of that ankle style because they're a little bit more like dressy cash type. I don't know if you've ever been to Ann Taylor, but it's like, yeah. And so all of their styles kind of hit like that. And I would buy a pair thinking this is so cute. And then they would literally just be pants on me. I'm like.

Monica (: 1:08:23

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Same.

Kelsie (: 1:08:23

Yeah.

Monica (: 1:08:31

Mm-hmm.

yeah, I had so many like business cash pants.

Nicole (: 1:08:47

Where's my ankle? My ankle's gone. I wanna show my ankle. We're not in the early 1900s where showing your ankle is a sin. I wanna show my ankle!

Monica (: 1:08:55

than

1900.

Ashley (: 1:08:56

I'm

Nicole (: 1:08:56

do we end?

Monica (: 1:08:56

Well, on

that note, isn't it fun to be a millennial?

Ashley (: 1:08:57

I don't know.

Nicole (: 1:09:00

It is, yeah,

we're finally at the age where we're watching fashion come back around and it's jarring.

Ashley (: 1:09:05

Come back around.

Kelsie (: 1:09:06

It's not, yeah, go back where you came from.

Ashley (: 1:09:10

It's very

Nicole (: 1:09:10

Please,

Ashley (: 1:09:10

interesting. Yeah.

Monica (: 1:09:10

Seriously.

Nicole (: 1:09:11

early 2000s, go away. Okay, well, on that note.

Kelsie (: 1:09:13

you

This is fun.

Monica (: 1:09:20

Fun to have another chaotic chat. Like, follow, subscribe and share and come chat with us in our DMs.

Nicole (: 1:09:20

We gotta go.

Ashley (: 1:09:21

We'll see you guys

next week.

Yes. ⁓

Nicole (: 1:09:25

Yes,

Kelsie (: 1:09:25

Yep.

Nicole (: 1:09:26

our weekly chaotic check. ⁓

Join the group chat. Okay, bye. Love you ⁓

Ashley (: 1:09:32

See ya. Bye.

Monica (: 1:09:34

Bye!

Kelsie (: 1:09:35

Bye!

Monica (: 1:09:37

That was the most millennial ending we could have given.

Kelsie (: 1:09:39

That

Nicole (: 1:09:40

Bye!

Ashley (: 1:09:40

Perfect. ⁓